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    Female player development: Does Arsenal have it correct?

    https://www.theguardian.com/football...-equal-footing

    #2
    of course they do. we are not in the player development business here.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      of course they do. we are not in the player development business here.
      no we are not. we are in the money making business.

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        #4
        Nothing novel here when you consider what veteran USWNT players like Lloyd, Solo, etc. have said and written on this subject. In the “old days” prior to BDA & ECNL, boys and girls played together, and maybe even more importantly they played for fun more often informally without coaching, etc. Pros like Lloyd, etc. have said that these experiences were important to their development and they benefited from not being exposed to the club soccer culture. These pros have said they aren’t sure they would reached the pro level in the pay-to-play system.

        We are only now starting to see now with players in the their teens and 20’s in the US NT that our development methods are failing us against top international teams.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Nothing novel here when you consider what veteran USWNT players like Lloyd, Solo, etc. have said and written on this subject. In the “old days” prior to BDA & ECNL, boys and girls played together, and maybe even more importantly they played for fun more often informally without coaching, etc. Pros like Lloyd, etc. have said that these experiences were important to their development and they benefited from not being exposed to the club soccer culture. These pros have said they aren’t sure they would reached the pro level in the pay-to-play system.

          We are only now starting to see now with players in the their teens and 20’s in the US NT that our development methods are failing us against top international teams.
          But it isn't just development. It's also identification and cost. Back when they were all playing no one was flying to showcases or spending 3500 just on club fees alone. Sure super stars might get comp'd, but they have to be seen and pulled into the system.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            But it isn't just development. It's also identification and cost. Back when they were all playing no one was flying to showcases or spending 3500 just on club fees alone. Sure super stars might get comp'd, but they have to be seen and pulled into the system.
            Got to start somewhere. Your penchant for wanting to wait for a bunch of improbable "late bloomers" to emerge and then significantly alter the player pyramid is definitely not the answer. It is not the 70's any longer and like it or not, kids specialize very early these days. If a kid isn't discovered under the current set up they are either not interested in being discovered (few parents actually want the blood, sweat and tears that comes with discovery for their kids) or they aren't working hard enough on their game to warrant consideration.

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              #7
              Important to stress there is nothing comparable in the way a club such as Arsenal is set up and any club here in MA. They are apples and oranges. If you read, these players both girls and boys have gone thru multiple levels of the club to get to the academy level, which is preparing them for a pro career. Nothing really similar here; maybe DA would be closest in concept, but no where near as good in execution. There only 2 girls are discussed in the article so Arsenal is pulling the top 2 girls from the top development level to go on a top level boys program, and that’s after first playing them down in U-11 boys before moving them up to U-12. This is hardly an article about mixing all girls with all boys all the time.

              Notice they are only pulling 2 players up, not a whole team. Notice too that it is not an academy TEAM, but an academy LEVEL/PROGRAM. This is the real difference between top European clubs and nearly everywhere else. Individual player development is #1. They are not building teams, they are developing players. Players move on and off teams, there is no permanent roster. That is the lesson to be learned here, not whether a boy or girl is playing with one another. Their sex doesn’t matter, only their level of development and whether it makes sense for them individually to work with other players matters.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Important to stress there is nothing comparable in the way a club such as Arsenal is set up and any club here in MA. They are apples and oranges. If you read, these players both girls and boys have gone thru multiple levels of the club to get to the academy level, which is preparing them for a pro career. Nothing really similar here; maybe DA would be closest in concept, but no where near as good in execution. There only 2 girls are discussed in the article so Arsenal is pulling the top 2 girls from the top development level to go on a top level boys program, and that’s after first playing them down in U-11 boys before moving them up to U-12. This is hardly an article about mixing all girls with all boys all the time.

                Notice they are only pulling 2 players up, not a whole team. Notice too that it is not an academy TEAM, but an academy LEVEL/PROGRAM. This is the real difference between top European clubs and nearly everywhere else. Individual player development is #1. They are not building teams, they are developing players. Players move on and off teams, there is no permanent roster. That is the lesson to be learned here, not whether a boy or girl is playing with one another. Their sex doesn’t matter, only their level of development and whether it makes sense for them individually to work with other players matters.

                Good point- well stated.

                My kids are currently playing in central Europe (we are living here for one year). They are 8 (girl) and 6 (boy), playing in two different clubs. The differences between their experience here and in the US are profound. These clubs are completely player-focused- my daughter's group is mixed-age (6-12) and the practice/game ratio is around 20-1. They play up/down based on their ability. My son's team (all u-7) has trained pretty much exclusively, with a few inter-club 'game days' interspersed. There are 0 complaints by the kids, because the training sessions are active and fun. Their improvement has been dramatic. While we are generally looking forward to our return to the US, from a soccer perspective I am dreading it.

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