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    Why do we distinguish between recreational and competitive soccer?

    Why do we distinguish between recreational and competitive soccer?
    When you define rec and competitive soccer as separate entities you come down to how the kids get on the field. Rec is through an open registration process, AYSO, pickup games, a clubs house league program where you sign up or show up you're going to play.
    So called competitive soccer involves some type of selection process. The weak, inexperienced, inferior are weeded out through a selection process involving competition for a place in the team, the game or academy.

    Once on the field every player is competitive if they're there by their own choice. Every player prefers to win as opposed to lose. However, some may not want to compete at the level they're at, with the group they're with or even in the game itself. Ask any kid "Do you want to win or lose" and I think the answer will be to win. Ask them "Are you willing to sacrifice in order to win" and you may get a different answer, "It's not worth it" the #1 reason kids leave competitive soccer.

    The selection process begins way too early in the U.S.

    8, 9, 10 year old’s don't need to go through trials where they are fighting for a job. The leagues that offer this alternative do so in the name of competition, (i.e. increased stress) as a service to development. That is their marketing approach. Experts, (USYS, GUBOG, AYSO) agree that this approach is counterproductive, even detrimental. The leagues that offer select play at these ages are really only concerned with increasing their own market share. (If we don't offer it someone else will). Increasing the number of teams makes the league bigger, more important and more profitable. The fastest way to increase the number of teams is to increase the number of age groups. Since they can't go to older ages, above 18 or 19, they focus on younger ones, and call it development. And you get a really good healthy meal at a fast food establishment.

    If the bottom selection age is u9 you'll find clubs offering preselect opportunities in the guise of cross-over, some all-star programs and pre-travel teams. This is in the name of preparing the select group of kids for the dedicated and committed world of serious 8 year old soccer.

    The leagues offer the opportunity and our type A culture insists that their child not be denied their chance at whatever they want, or wish they want now. The leagues offer nothing that a good club cannot provide at a fraction of the cost without a full-blown, team orientated selection process below the age of 12.
    A selection process is critical for development. Kids need to choose when they want to face this task and take their lumps. But below 12, it's Alice in Wonderland.

    #2
    U8 ECNL next year!!!

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      #3
      European clubs start at U8. US is far behind European countries. We complain endlessly about it.

      So, yeah, I agree. Let's NOT do what they do, and continue to mire in mediocrity.

      Makes total sense.

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        #4
        I think the OP is missing something here, and that is that different kids have different ideas of what "fun" is. One 8 year old may have a blast playing Rec level soccer and thrive in a relaxed atmosphere playing with school friends with the same mentality. Another 8 year old might be bored out of his/her mind, frustrated at the lack of ability of his teammates and the lack of his own progress as his coach teaches to the average player on his team, or even to the lowest ability players. Playing at the correct level and seeing improvement in a sport is pretty much vital to a kid's joy of playing. This can only happen with some sort of selection process, as kids are at so many different levels by 8 years old. How long is a kid at this age playing a new sport for the very first time going to last when put on the same team with kids who have been playing since 4 or 5 years old? How much is a kid who has played for years going to improve on a team of beginners and will it be more fun or frustrating being taught skills he's known for years?

        The selection process doesn't have to be stressful with multiple days of tryouts and kids pinning numbers on themselves. Just a fun practice session, call it a festival, where kids can be moved up and down in various groups to place them in the correct level, then getting their names down at the end of the session would work.

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          #5
          I also think that all kids need to stay on the green trails when skiing as well. No need for them to push themselves on the black diamonds.

          Also, no advanced math, either.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Why do we distinguish between recreational and competitive soccer?
            When you define rec and competitive soccer as separate entities you come down to how the kids get on the field. Rec is through an open registration process, AYSO, pickup games, a clubs house league program where you sign up or show up you're going to play.
            So called competitive soccer involves some type of selection process. The weak, inexperienced, inferior are weeded out through a selection process involving competition for a place in the team, the game or academy.

            Once on the field every player is competitive if they're there by their own choice. Every player prefers to win as opposed to lose. However, some may not want to compete at the level they're at, with the group they're with or even in the game itself. Ask any kid "Do you want to win or lose" and I think the answer will be to win. Ask them "Are you willing to sacrifice in order to win" and you may get a different answer, "It's not worth it" the #1 reason kids leave competitive soccer.

            The selection process begins way too early in the U.S.

            8, 9, 10 year old’s don't need to go through trials where they are fighting for a job. The leagues that offer this alternative do so in the name of competition, (i.e. increased stress) as a service to development. That is their marketing approach. Experts, (USYS, GUBOG, AYSO) agree that this approach is counterproductive, even detrimental. The leagues that offer select play at these ages are really only concerned with increasing their own market share. (If we don't offer it someone else will). Increasing the number of teams makes the league bigger, more important and more profitable. The fastest way to increase the number of teams is to increase the number of age groups. Since they can't go to older ages, above 18 or 19, they focus on younger ones, and call it development. And you get a really good healthy meal at a fast food establishment.

            If the bottom selection age is u9 you'll find clubs offering preselect opportunities in the guise of cross-over, some all-star programs and pre-travel teams. This is in the name of preparing the select group of kids for the dedicated and committed world of serious 8 year old soccer.

            The leagues offer the opportunity and our type A culture insists that their child not be denied their chance at whatever they want, or wish they want now. The leagues offer nothing that a good club cannot provide at a fraction of the cost without a full-blown, team orientated selection process below the age of 12.
            A selection process is critical for development. Kids need to choose when they want to face this task and take their lumps. But below 12, it's Alice in Wonderland.
            Why do we differentiate between rec and competitive soccer you ask? Because when my youngest, who had been playing in the back yard with her brother and sister since she was 3, played with the other kids in a rec league she was bored, frustrated and miserable. The dad and mom coaches wouldn't let her steal the ball from other little dribblers if the score wasn't just right. She couldn't bump someone off the ball the way her brother did to her. She had to wait until the game was over and go home to play with her siblings in order to compete. One kid on the team was afraid to kick the ball. One kid on the team would end most games with a beautiful bouquet of dandelions. One kid on the team would have a crying fit at least once per practice or game. She joined a "competitive" team the next year, and found a bunch of kids like herself, who loved to play, loved to compete, and looked forward to EVERY practice and game. Do I need to go on, because I've got another 20 reasons why your question is completely ludicrous?

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              #7
              Rec soccer does not have player pass cards. There are no rules from US Soccer or USYSL about who they can play for, etc.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Why do we distinguish between recreational and competitive soccer?
                When you define rec and competitive soccer as separate entities you come down to how the kids get on the field. Rec is through an open registration process, AYSO, pickup games, a clubs house league program where you sign up or show up you're going to play.
                So called competitive soccer involves some type of selection process. The weak, inexperienced, inferior are weeded out through a selection process involving competition for a place in the team, the game or academy.

                Once on the field every player is competitive if they're there by their own choice. Every player prefers to win as opposed to lose. However, some may not want to compete at the level they're at, with the group they're with or even in the game itself. Ask any kid "Do you want to win or lose" and I think the answer will be to win. Ask them "Are you willing to sacrifice in order to win" and you may get a different answer, "It's not worth it" the #1 reason kids leave competitive soccer.

                The selection process begins way too early in the U.S.

                8, 9, 10 year old’s don't need to go through trials where they are fighting for a job. The leagues that offer this alternative do so in the name of competition, (i.e. increased stress) as a service to development. That is their marketing approach. Experts, (USYS, GUBOG, AYSO) agree that this approach is counterproductive, even detrimental. The leagues that offer select play at these ages are really only concerned with increasing their own market share. (If we don't offer it someone else will). Increasing the number of teams makes the league bigger, more important and more profitable. The fastest way to increase the number of teams is to increase the number of age groups. Since they can't go to older ages, above 18 or 19, they focus on younger ones, and call it development. And you get a really good healthy meal at a fast food establishment.

                If the bottom selection age is u9 you'll find clubs offering preselect opportunities in the guise of cross-over, some all-star programs and pre-travel teams. This is in the name of preparing the select group of kids for the dedicated and committed world of serious 8 year old soccer.

                The leagues offer the opportunity and our type A culture insists that their child not be denied their chance at whatever they want, or wish they want now. The leagues offer nothing that a good club cannot provide at a fraction of the cost without a full-blown, team orientated selection process below the age of 12.
                A selection process is critical for development. Kids need to choose when they want to face this task and take their lumps. But below 12, it's Alice in Wonderland.
                My kids went to tryouts and made a club team at ages 8 and 9 respectively. They are now 14 and 15, playing at the highest level, and loving the game more than ever. Those early years were key to learning solid technique, without which they would not be where they are today.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  European clubs start at U8. US is far behind European countries. We complain endlessly about it.

                  So, yeah, I agree. Let's NOT do what they do, and continue to mire in mediocrity.

                  Makes total sense.
                  Nobody in Europe is paying thousands a year to play, at any age.
                  We have all been duped to believe that money buys soccer success.
                  And we will continue to mire in mediocrity for the foreseeable future...it is what we do best now.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Nobody in Europe is paying thousands a year to play, at any age.
                    We have all been duped to believe that money buys soccer success.
                    And we will continue to mire in mediocrity for the foreseeable future...it is what we do best now.
                    While agree the costs are exorbitant here, the reality is if we want to catch up to the rest of the world, and we want professional training, sadly we have to pay for it.

                    Clipboard-toting daddy coach who learned the game by watching Kickin' and Screamin' won't catch us up.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      we want professional training, sadly we have to pay for it.
                      That's exactly what we should want ..."Professional Training"...unfortunately most of our so called "professional youth coaches" would get laughed at if they tried to coach in Europe and ask for money..

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        That's exactly what we should want ..."Professional Training"...unfortunately most of our so called "professional youth coaches" would get laughed at if they tried to coach in Europe and ask for money..
                        If your child lacks the skill to be a pianist, will professional training fix that?

                        The single biggest failing in this whole system is the belief that any kid can play soccer at or above a certain level.
                        Not right or wrong, it just is.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          If your child lacks the skill to be a pianist, will professional training fix that?

                          The single biggest failing in this whole system is the belief that any kid can play soccer at or above a certain level.
                          Not right or wrong, it just is.
                          Great analogy buddy!

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            If your child lacks the skill to be a pianist, will professional training fix that?

                            The single biggest failing in this whole system is the belief that any kid can play soccer at or above a certain level.
                            Not right or wrong, it just is.
                            Also factor in the scores of parents who confuse their willingness to pay with their kids eagerness to play

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Also factor in the scores of parents who confuse their willingness to pay with their kids eagerness to play
                              Excellent point. I count myself in that category and never made the connection until recently. I wish I did a few years ago!

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