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Any thoughts on Eric Wynalda's comments about youth coaching at FSC Fox
Football Phone In last night?

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i dont know but thank god for a different post. why don't you tell us what he said?

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Yeah, what did he say? He has a reputation of telling it like it is, usually in a tactless manner.

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Does Fox replay that show?

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Yeah, what did he say? He has a reputation of telling it like it is, usually in a tactless manner.

I once heard him during a game say that ODP stood for over determined parent. Thought it was profound coming from a player of his caliber.

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Does Fox replay that show?

Yeah, but on the same date. if you missed it on Monday, you are out of luck.

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Love Wynalda. As for telling it like it is in a tactless manner, check this out: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200909/hope-solo-soccer

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Love Wynalda. As for telling it like it is in a tactless manner, check this out: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200909/hope-solo-soccer

Imagine if Wynalda and Solo got married.

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Imagine if Wynalda and Solo got married.

Perhaps their son would look like this:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01466/cristiano_ronaldo2_1466376c.jpg

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Perhaps their son would look like this:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01466/cristiano_ronaldo2_1466376c.jpg

Wynalda would kick Ronaldo's a$$.

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Wynalda would kick Ronaldo's a$$.

Perhaps, but not on the soccer field.

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So what did Wynalda say?

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Coaches encourage kids to play too conservative. The Brits with the accents are an improvement over US coaches, but still won't allow US soccer to reach its full potential. Players like Messi are born, and then allowed to develop their innate gifts by playing constantly. Much can't be taught, and trying to do so, telling kids such and such is wrong, hinders individual player development.

I'm sure there was more, said more eloquently....but this is what I remember.

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He also stated that the mistakes we are making today in soccer have already been made
overseas. European countries are in the next wave of developing players while we in the USA
are now going thru this transition.

He also stated that todays youth American coaches do not know what they don't know.

Bold but accurate!

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Nothing really new here, he is frustrated with the slow development on the usa mens side vs the world as are the rest of us. He has stated time and time again that we should model after a euro country instead of re-inventing the wheel here so to speak. The comments are right on but no one at the highest level at us soccer seems to grasp it for some reason. At least we always have the girls to watch win.......someday, someday

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Kids don't play pick up soccer because we have to "organize it". In this country we pay clubs thousands and thousands of dollars, pay places like Forekicks almost 3 k to play once a week during the winter, have to organize state championships for 5th and 6th graders...........I could go on and on. The sport is still mostly an upper middle class sport which excludes a good portion of kids who can play. Not a real difficult concept.

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Kids don't play pick up soccer because we have to "organize it". In this country we pay clubs thousands and thousands of dollars, pay places like Forekicks almost 3 k to play once a week during the winter, have to organize state championships for 5th and 6th graders...........I could go on and on. The sport is still mostly an upper middle class sport which excludes a good portion of kids who can play. Not a real difficult concept.

Not too far off the mark but first and foremost.. Kids dont watch the game! and a scary a good % of their coaches dont either. Why is it when a team happens to get a euopean kid or SA kid on their town or club team the kid looks like Pele? chances are he watches the game lives it, loves it.. I have kids tell me they love to play but they have no idea who Pato or Eto is ?? How can you teach a kid something he has no point of reference? how can a coach teach something if he doesnt truely know what he is teaching?

then idiots on here will make fun of coaches with accents!?? chances are that guy is passionate about the game and has watched it since he was a kid..

we are the second largest youth program in the USA and yet people wont take kids to the Revs or Breakers, but will drop everything for a Sox or Pats game?.

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Nothing really new here, he is frustrated with the slow development on the usa mens side vs the world as are the rest of us. He has stated time and time again that we should model after a euro country instead of re-inventing the wheel here so to speak. The comments are right on but no one at the highest level at us soccer seems to grasp it for some reason. At least we always have the girls to watch win.......someday, someday

See? That's the problem. All you are looking for is the wins. The women play awful soccer. I'm hoping Sundhage can change that, but she has to work with what she has and what she has are players coming out of the same system as on the men's side.

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Not too far off the mark but first and foremost.. Kids dont watch the game! and a scary a good % of their coaches dont either. Why is it when a team happens to get a euopean kid or SA kid on their town or club team the kid looks like Pele? chances are he watches the game lives it, loves it.. I have kids tell me they love to play but they have no idea who Pato or Eto is ?? How can you teach a kid something he has no point of reference? how can a coach teach something if he doesnt truely know what he is teaching?

then idiots on here will make fun of coaches with accents!?? chances are that guy is passionate about the game and has watched it since he was a kid..

we are the second largest youth program in the USA and yet people wont take kids to the Revs or Breakers, but will drop everything for a Sox or Pats game?.

All the money people spend on youth soccer and they don't go to these games. They are a relatively inexpensive entertainment too. A season's ticket is less than a tournament that requires a hotel.

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See? That's the problem. All you are looking for is the wins. The women play awful soccer. I'm hoping Sundhage can change that, but she has to work with what she has and what she has are players coming out of the same system as on the men's side.

I am confused, this is the NATIONAL TEAM right? I am pretty sure I want to see them win. Your comments are better served at the youth level were clubs like the stars and scorpions count their state titles and say they are doing it right. When MPS tries to develop the player and worry about the state title later they are called money grabbing bums because they dont win state titles. Which club would Wynalda say is closer to his vision?

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i am confused, this is the national team right? I am pretty sure i want to see them win. Your comments are better served at the youth level were clubs like the stars and scorpions count their state titles and say they are doing it right. When mps tries to develop the player and worry about the state title later they are called money grabbing bums because they dont win state titles. Which club would wynalda say is closer to his vision?
nefc.

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I am confused, this is the NATIONAL TEAM right? I am pretty sure I want to see them win. Your comments are better served at the youth level were clubs like the stars and scorpions count their state titles and say they are doing it right. When MPS tries to develop the player and worry about the state title later they are called money grabbing bums because they dont win state titles. Which club would Wynalda say is closer to his vision?

You apparently don't get it because you haven't seen the improvements made by other countries, especially the Asians. The US women can't sustain their success unless they start playing better soccer. Right now they are getting by on numbers and athleticism. If you don't believe me, then ask Tony DiCicco.

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I am confused, this is the NATIONAL TEAM right? I am pretty sure I want to see them win. Your comments are better served at the youth level were clubs like the stars and scorpions count their state titles and say they are doing it right. When MPS tries to develop the player and worry about the state title later they are called money grabbing bums because they dont win state titles. Which club would Wynalda say is closer to his vision?

the ones that mimic European or S. Americans system most.. The ones that most are trying to emulate and if they cant they trash them.. I think everyone knows the answer
heres a video clip on how Brazil does it

http://www.gasoccer.org/playerdevelopmentvid.aspx

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the ones that mimic European or S. Americans system most.. The ones that most are trying to emulate and if they cant they trash them.. I think everyone knows the answer
heres a video clip on how Brazil does it

http://www.gasoccer.org/playerdevelopmentvid.aspx

Although there certainly are lessons to learn, the Brazilian system won't work in the US. Our cultures are too different. It would be better to look to continental Europe.

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You apparently don't get it because you haven't seen the improvements made by other countries, especially the Asians. The US women can't sustain their success unless they start playing better soccer. Right now they are getting by on numbers and athleticism. If you don't believe me, then ask Tony DiCicco.

can you forward his number? thanks!

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If you don't believe me, then ask Tony DiCicco.

He's overrated, no thanks

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nefc.

:lol: step 1 is admitting you have a problem

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The sport is still mostly an upper middle class sport which excludes a good portion of kids who can play. Not a real difficult concept.

American club soccer is a middle-class activity. But soccer itself isn't a middle-class sport like tennis or golf, where lessons, equipment, and facilities make for expensive and exclusionary barriers to entry. It's like baseball, football, and basketball.

Kids don't have to join Little League to play sandlot baseball, or Pop Warner to play touch football, or AAU to play pickup basketball. Nor do they have to join a club to play soccer. All they need is a field, a ball, and shoes -- and the desire to play.

There's the rub. Until soccer captures the imagination of American youth at the earliest ages, the kids are going to keep playing pickup baseball, football, and basketball instead - or maybe video games. ;)

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See? That's the problem. All you are looking for is the wins. The women play awful soccer. I'm hoping Sundhage can change that, but she has to work with what she has and what she has are players coming out of the same system as on the men's side.

I will second this. As a person who attended a great many Breakers games, I was disappointed in the quality as a whole but watching the Brazilians and Europeans next to the US players was embarrassing.

Watching the championship game (Sol vs Sky Blue) I counted way too many direct passes to the opposing team with NO teammates in the vicinity, no technical ability, no creativity, etc. Yal Averbusch needs to go.....Hucles needs to go to name a few. Horrible midfielders.

Who did people come to see? Marta, Daniella, Fabiana, Kelly Smith....all foreigners from a system of development and free play at early ages

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I am confused, this is the NATIONAL TEAM right? I am pretty sure I want to see them win. Your comments are better served at the youth level were clubs like the stars and scorpions count their state titles and say they are doing it right. When MPS tries to develop the player and worry about the state title later they are called money grabbing bums because they dont win state titles. Which club would Wynalda say is closer to his vision?

None of the above. As a matter of fact the first two are counter productive to developing any real talent. Another poster stated that even womens soccer at the national is geting by
on athleticism and size/speed. The third club you mentioned although on the right tract
as far as the early ages and the proximity of practice locations (SOE) not good enough in terms of actual coaching the technical aspects of the game at those ages.
Younger imported coaches do not translate to better coaching.
When Wynalda said "they do not know what they do not know" he meant that there is not
enough real in depth knoledge of what needs to happen to allow players the creativity
and imagination to foster their development.

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None of the above. As a matter of fact the first two are counter productive to developing any real talent. Another poster stated that even womens soccer at the national is geting by
on athleticism and size/speed. The third club you mentioned although on the right tract
as far as the early ages and the proximity of practice locations (SOE) not good enough in terms of actual coaching the technical aspects of the game at those ages.
Younger imported coaches do not translate to better coaching.
When Wynalda said "they do not know what they do not know" he meant that there is not
enough real in depth knoledge of what needs to happen to allow players the creativity
and imagination to foster their development.

as a previous post said.. they need to watch the game first! .. period! otherwise everything after is just shooting blanks

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Younger imported coaches do not translate to better coaching.
When Wynalda said "they do not know what they do not know" he meant that there is not
enough real in depth knoledge of what needs to happen to allow players the creativity
and imagination to foster their development.

your post is contradictory - soccer is in the culture there where they watch soccer all the time like we do football/baseball here so an licensed, imported coach from that culture its certainly better than a homegrown coach from here yet we need to foster creativity and imagination by local coaches who dont really watch or grow up in that culture?

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American club soccer is a middle-class activity. But soccer itself isn't a middle-class sport like tennis or golf, where lessons, equipment, and facilities make for expensive and exclusionary barriers to entry. It's like baseball, football, and basketball.

Kids don't have to join Little League to play sandlot baseball, or Pop Warner to play touch football, or AAU to play pickup basketball. Nor do they have to join a club to play soccer. All they need is a field, a ball, and shoes -- and the desire to play.

There's the rub. Until soccer captures the imagination of American youth at the earliest ages, the kids are going to keep playing pickup baseball, football, and basketball instead - or maybe video games. ;) However in this country for a player to move up the ladder, you have to be from an upper middle class family. That is my point.

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your post is contradictory - soccer is in the culture there where they watch soccer all the time like we do football/baseball here so an licensed, imported coach from that culture its certainly better than a homegrown coach from here yet we need to foster creativity and imagination by local coaches who dont really watch or grow up in that culture?

Not contradictory at all. What Wynalda said although a coach from overeseas maybe better
in terms of having been exposed to the sport still is not "experienced" enough as to what needs to be done to develop the individual player. Certainly the quality of coaches domestically is improving also. Fostering creativity may simply mean "allowing " the player to play at his/her comfort zone,make mistakes and allow them to experience first hand how costly an error may be without the burden of "having to win".Makes sense?

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your post is contradictory - soccer is in the culture there where they watch soccer all the time like we do football/baseball here so an licensed, imported coach from that culture its certainly better than a homegrown coach from here yet we need to foster creativity and imagination by local coaches who dont really watch or grow up in that culture?

Yea...doesnt that make sense? :lol:

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However in this country for a player to move up the ladder, you have to be from an upper middle class family. That is my point.

Thanks for the clarification. I think this point is wrong, too.

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Sadly enough a thread like this where we could exchange ideas and comments on
how to make the sport better for everyone will more likely die after 4-5 pages.
I am sure some already switched to more interesting subjects such as what clubs
have ODP players etc.
Wynalda are are you reading?

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Sadly enough a thread like this where we could exchange ideas and comments on
how to make the sport better for everyone will more likely die after 4-5 pages.
I am sure some already switched to more interesting subjects such as what clubs
have ODP players etc.
Wynalda are are you reading?

Clubs have to go for example most of the top club coaches have no real idea of the world game for progress - its all about winning and state cups and tournaments - its sad though listening to the very limited knowledge they do have

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See? That's the problem. All you are looking for is the wins. The women play awful soccer. I'm hoping Sundhage can change that, but she has to work with what she has and what she has are players coming out of the same system as on the men's side.

The WPS has shown that the international players are well ahead of the USA players in terms of skill and creativity. The USA players don't have that same comfort in tight spaces and look to kick the long ball instead of simple short creative passes and moves. And many of the USA strikers are simply clueless as they are so used to the college and youth game with long balls that they run onto - which simply is not effectove on the WPS level of play. So I agree with you the USWNT does not play good soccer, but the WPS has given Pia the ability to identify a new group of players - like Amy LaPeibvet from the Breakers and Casey White from the Sol - who have the skills and the creative game to move the USWNT forward. The issue though for the rest of the world though is that the USA still has a deeper team than the rest in terms of creating a 21 player roster and a starting 11 (in other words they may have 15 of the top 20 players in the world but their 10-11th player on a roster is not competitive with the 20th player from USA). The exception is Brazil, but they don't get together and train as a team until a month or so before a World Cup or the Olympics).

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Sadly enough a thread like this where we could exchange ideas and comments on
how to make the sport better for everyone will more likely die after 4-5 pages.
I am sure some already switched to more interesting subjects such as what clubs
have ODP players etc.
Wynalda are are you reading?

mr/mrs know it all, please wait until sunday to preach.

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American club soccer is a middle-class activity. But soccer itself isn't a middle-class sport like tennis or golf, where lessons, equipment, and facilities make for expensive and exclusionary barriers to entry. It's like baseball, football, and basketball.

Kids don't have to join Little League to play sandlot baseball, or Pop Warner to play touch football, or AAU to play pickup basketball. Nor do they have to join a club to play soccer. All they need is a field, a ball, and shoes -- and the desire to play.

There's the rub. Until soccer captures the imagination of American youth at the earliest ages, the kids are going to keep playing pickup baseball, football, and basketball instead - or maybe video games. ;)

You must not have any kids playing sports other than soccer now...... No sport in the USA is a pick-up sport any more, except perhaps basketball (yes it is in the inner city but not in suburbia much). Every sport in America has turned into a year round scheduled, club team sport. It's not just soccer. But you are right about the game needing to capture the kids imagination and they need to watch it more as well.

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You must not have any kids playing sports other than soccer now...... No sport in the USA is a pick-up sport any more, except perhaps basketball (yes it is in the inner city but not in suburbia much). Every sport in America has turned into a year round scheduled, club team sport. It's not just soccer. But you are right about the game needing to capture the kids imagination and they need to watch it more as well.

The new pick up sport is XBox. It's challenging, any kid can win if they practice, no one is discriminated against because of income or ability, you can get really good at it and be recognized for that by your peers, and XBox Live allows kids from all over the world to play together peacefuly. Sounds kind of ideal, doesn't it?

Only problem is the kids are turning into couch potatoes. It's an adolescent fix for proving one's prowess and skill which involves no athletic ability (or even exercise for that matter) whatsoever.

So, if you want your kid to learn how much fun that old fashioned sports stuff is OUTSIDE at a reasonably young age, you have to schedule it. And if you don't, they play pick up -- in the basement with a controller in their hands. Welcome to the 21st century.

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You must not have any kids playing sports other than soccer now...... No sport in the USA is a pick-up sport any more, except perhaps basketball (yes it is in the inner city but not in suburbia much). Every sport in America has turned into a year round scheduled, club team sport. It's not just soccer. But you are right about the game needing to capture the kids imagination and they need to watch it more as well.

You're right about the first part - and the more I think about it, you're probably right about the rest. I suppose you could throw hockey in there as well. I guess it's like the other guy said: welcome to the 21st century.

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The new pick up sport is XBox. It's challenging, any kid can win if they practice, no one is discriminated against because of income or ability, you can get really good at it and be recognized for that by your peers, and XBox Live allows kids from all over the world to play together peacefuly. Sounds kind of ideal, doesn't it?

Only problem is the kids are turning into couch potatoes. It's an adolescent fix for proving one's prowess and skill which involves no athletic ability (or even exercise for that matter) whatsoever.

So, if you want your kid to learn how much fun that old fashioned sports stuff is OUTSIDE at a reasonably young age, you have to schedule it. And if you don't, they play pick up -- in the basement with a controller in their hands. Welcome to the 21st century.

Hey, didn't you read the headlines this week?

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) — Contrary to a popular stereotype, the average video game player is not a teenage skateboarder but a more mature fun-seeker old enough to be his dad, according to a survey released Wednesday.

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You must not have any kids playing sports other than soccer now...... No sport in the USA is a pick-up sport any more, except perhaps basketball (yes it is in the inner city but not in suburbia much). Every sport in America has turned into a year round scheduled, club team sport. It's not just soccer. But you are right about the game needing to capture the kids imagination and they need to watch it more as well.

The FIFA Soccer game is actually a pretty good video game to play and add to the player's knowledge of the game.

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The FIFA Soccer game is actually a pretty good video game to play and add to the player's knowledge of the game (quote)

So this is what we owe to the latest increase in soccer experts .
No that we know the cause we may be able to cure the problem.

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Hey, didn't you read the headlines this week?

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) — Contrary to a popular stereotype, the average video game player is not a teenage skateboarder but a more mature fun-seeker old enough to be his dad, according to a survey released Wednesday.

See? Kids ought to play soccer so they can get their dads off the couch! Actually, this statistic doesn't mean all the teenager boys aren't living in front of video games. It just means ALL the boys are doing it, and there are more old boys than young boys, so the average player is older. That's the average, but the real trouble is the young ones who could be using their youthful energy on the playing field. Youth is no longer wasted on the young, now it's wasted BY the young!